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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 21, 2009 7:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why Does Anyone Even Listen To This Band?

'77 sucks as does the end of '74 and '78 and the post-Coma Brent years or for that matter any high energy show from the '80s.

I never really understand the point of these threads. Overrated doesn't mean bad but somehow these turn into bashing threads. Fine something is deemed overrated, what does that mean? Why do we care if it overrated and really really good?

I like '77!! The shows are enjoyable to listen to and frankly if you think the TOO and drums sequence from 5-25-77 or the Eyes>Dancin or H>S>F from 2-26-77 are not interesting jamming, you should perhaps go back and listen.

Yes, I like the Buffalo show better than the Cornell show but to say Cornell is overrated because the next night was just as good if not better is meaningless. Are you saying that you wouldn't recommend someone go listen to Cornell who has never heard it? Please.

Oh I think the Europe '72 was also a bit formulaic in nature and I think there are better shows in the August-October of that year but does that make the tour overrated and should not recommend it to people? Not a chance.

No formula in '69 either right? Good thing they only played DS>St. Stephen>11>Lovelight once or twice.

6-10-73? I have no idea why it was downloaded more than other shows, but that does not mean that people think its the best show. I have never heard anyone ever suggest it ever was.

Egypt? I had never heard these before I got here and everything I ever read about them was that they sucked. Hell even Jerry made that comment on Letterman in '87 (i think, check youtube). Well I don't think the last night there sucked at all. I would call that show underrated not overrated.

Sorry for the rant but it seems to me that if you like a show enough to listen to it a second or third time and more importantly would recommend it to another person, then it doesn't really matter if it is overrated, underrated or unrated. It's the good ole grateful dead.



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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Oct 21, 2009 5:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why Does Anyone Even Listen To This Band?

Easy ! Just a bunch of geeky fun ( a least on my part !) . Note the "Sometimes", I start with . I should have been a bit more careful, with my "80's", comments . There are plenty of "High Energy" shows from that era I love , I guess I was more thinking of rather ,reviews , that seem to mistake the kind of rushed "fake" energy , for real energy ( this ,of course is all in my exalted opinion !).
Though , as a rule I prefer pre-Brent era , I really like ALL the Dead eras, and savor them for there unique qualities ; and I have been listening to a lot of 79-81 stuff lately !

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 21, 2009 5:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why Does Anyone Even Listen To This Band?

Hey no worries! I wasn't picking on anybody, I just used your "high energy" comment because I thought it was kind of funny in this context. I was really questioning the value of the exercise. I think its good to have reviews, both good and bad and agree that not all reviews are accurate. I just thought that overrated was becoming confused with bad.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 21, 2009 9:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why Does Anyone Even Listen To This Band?

"Sorry for the rant but it seems to me that if you like a show enough to listen to it a second or third time and more importantly would recommend it to another person, then it doesn't really matter if it is overrated, underrated or unrated. It's the good ole grateful dead."


well said!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 21, 2009 9:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why Does Anyone Even Listen To This Band?

Hmmm...still smarting over the PHD glut thread yesterday, eh? JK!!!

I do think there is a point though to understanding popularity of shows/yrs...esp if we see some influence of the non head pop critics (ie, many non head folks I know tell me about the best show being from 77, etc. without knowing first hand, etc. Not saying that's why of course).

Anyway, more criticism threads! More early era is best threads! More anyone that doesn't agree with me shall be banned threas! Bring em on...more guns in the Valley, Marion!

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 21, 2009 9:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why Does Anyone Even Listen To This Band?

Actually it was the "no geniuses have NIH grants" comment that stung....

Seriously. I completely agree that it would be interesting to understand the reason behind the popularity of certain shows or years. However simply saying something is overrated does not address that. Additionally since it is all subjective it is very difficult to say who's opinion counts more. I seem to recall that Dick agreed that Cornell and Veneta were overrated, but at the same time I think he called 12-31-78 one of the greatest shows ever! Ratings are in the ears of the beholder and given the vast differences in what we all like we will all rate things differently. For example, my guess is that you think EVERYTHING after '72 is overrated (you don't listen to it, so it seems to be a logical conclusion). Direwolf hates Pigpen so he would likely view '68 as overrated. My point is unless you know everyone's bias, simply calling things overrated is meaningless and it would be sad if people read this stuff and were influenced by it without knowing why. As an analogy, I like to drink wine and there are lots of wine critics to get scores from. I have found that my tastes don't match all of theirs and that for me, it makes no sense to follow certain critics recommendations while others i trust. So consider the source of the rating before considering the rating.

Final point is that overrated does not mean suck. Something can be great and overrated.

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 21, 2009 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why Does Anyone Even Listen To This Band?

Is this Elbow considered a genius ,or is that overrated ? I listen to advice and then decide my tases and opinions ,except abut wines which i don't like anyway .

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 21, 2009 9:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why Does Anyone Even Listen To This Band?

Now I never said '77 sucked, my friend! Just that it was overrrated!

Some kind folks here are convinced that 1977 is the best year ever, and I find that laughable. Those same dudes cannot understand why the Bowman and I are so fixated on '68...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 21, 2009 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why Does Anyone Even Listen To This Band?

I read your post and understood what you meant, but take a look at what followed it. I don't think anyone actually said it sucked but the comments seemed to be heading in that direction. I just can't figure out why it matters if something is overrated thats all.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 21, 2009 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The Grand Poobah of Quality

Agreed. One man's "overrated" is another man's "holy shit,that was awesome!!!" Who are we to judge him/her?

Any ratings that I hand out are noted as purely personal opinions and they all carry a caveat emptor disclaimer. I guess I'm saying that as far as I recall, we have yet to appoint the Grand Poobah of show rating. Yes, yes I know, there is a plethora of self-appointed poobahs out there (we all know who we are).

Oh, yeah, and if you don't agree with me, you most assuredly suck sweaty donkey sack.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 21, 2009 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grand Poobah of Quality has Spoken

Who are WE? WHO are WE?!?

I would've thought after yesterday's thread it is clear that a great many of us are geniuses, though unfortunately with very little to look forward to since we are all well over the hill...except for little punks like Max Chorak, who hasn't been around for ages now that I think of it...

I shall follow your excellent lead and have a portable donkey sac sweat soaked suckling device ready for mail order delievery to the next poster critiquing the early era, or most anything I happen to babble on about in my next post.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Oct 21, 2009 11:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grand Poobah of Quality has Spoken

Ahhh, but will it be both portable AND potable?


OK, this is quickyl sinking into a bottomeless pit of pointlessness.


I love it.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Oct 22, 2009 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grand Poobah of Quality

"Well, we have yet to appoint the Grand Poobah of show ratings"

Uhm, hello? J-Boy?


TOOTMO

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 22, 2009 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grand Poobah of Quality

I give this response 3.1416 stars!

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Oct 22, 2009 10:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grand Poobah of Quality

Well, el, you got me thinking about the j-boy now: is it possible that "j-boy" is really Bill Walton? Has anybody ever seen the two of them in the same room at the same time?


TOOTMO

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 22, 2009 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The Grand Poobah of Quality

Excellent! Another score TOOT!

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Oct 21, 2009 10:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why Does Anyone Even Listen To This Band?

Go get a bottle of Clos de los Siete :)

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Oct 21, 2009 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why Does Anyone Even Listen To This Band?

planning on it. Hopefully I won't find it overrated!! :-)

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